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Is Motown Dead?
« on: August 20, 2023, 07:49:48 pm »
MT is actually over 18 years old and was created on 25th February 2005 as a Yahoo Group with over 600 members out of which about 50 were active posting wise. When Yahoo dropped supporting groups I created this version which I think is much better laid out with forums for each major artist.  Now sadly only a handful of faithful members are supporting the group. Most posts get no response and less than 10 views! I honestly don't know how long I can keep MT going as most times I'm just talking to thin air. It's so disheartening that I sometimes feel like closing it down. I know that there has been nothing new for at least the past couple of years. In fact, correct me if I'm wrong, I think that Blinky's double CD in Nov 2009 was the last US release. She made it out of the vaults just as the doors slammed shut behind her! ACE are supposed to working an a male collection and Andy Skurow has not replied to my last three emails! I spend a couple of hours each day scouring the likes of YT, press etc for news but it seems that no one is interested. Perhaps it is time to call it a day? Perhaps Motown is dead? Perhaps I should just shut up?
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« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2023, 05:37:49 pm »
Don't know what to say really i'm on your side not much happening with motown i always check your site for any new news most days and always read the new posts.
i wish more was happening with strong vinyl sales i was hoping to see more on the motown label, the 7" box sets are fetching some good money there must be a market for new stuff.
i wish you well in what ever you do.
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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2023, 03:03:12 am »
Interesting that the 7" box sets get mentioned by ross61.  There still seems to be a trickle of "new" material issued on 7" vinyl and aimed at the "Collectors"/"Northern Soul" market.  The most recent of which was a Barbara McNair 45 on Outta Sight Soul Essentials that paired "It Happens Every Time" with a reissue of her "You're Gonna Love My Baby" (the first time the latter has been legally available on a single since 1966).

the in-demander “You’re Gonna Love My Baby” reissued here for the first time. Free Delivery on all UK orders
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Personally I don't buy such things, partly as I have both sides on CD and partly because at 14 the price looks outrageous (a 15 or 20 track CD is usually less than that price), are there any members of MT who do?  This was released a few weeks back but nobody saw fit to mention it here until now so I suspect that the answer to my question is no!!

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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2023, 01:54:45 pm »
John, I really don't know how to address your matter.  I am in the same boat as Roger is.  I prefer as many members do the ease and comfort of a CD vs. vinyl.  I personally started out many years ago collecting vinyl of which I have way more than I need.  With the advent of CDs, I started collecting these and rarely buy any vinyl unless it is something that is missing from my earlier collection.  Unfortunately the ones I need are not reasonably priced.  Part of the problem with the vinyl I have acquired is that I have all of the Complete Motown Singles which is essentially duplicate effort from the vinyl in my collection.   

I as probably many others are am not an overwhelming Barbara McNair fan.  She is in an entirely different category than the superstars of Motown, i. e. Supremes, Temptations, Four Tops, Miracles, Isley Brothers, etc.  I have exactly 4 Barbara McNair singles in my collection but they haven't been played in many years, if ever.  I never recall hearing any of her songs on the broadcast airwaves.  I am not opposed to her, but she is not someone I would put a priority upon to listen to.  In fact if I would hear any of her singles, I probably would not be able to say who sang the song. 

You have done an extraordinary job with the forum that you created.  Yours in my opinion is way superior to the Soulful Detroit forum.  The way it is laid out and the ease of using is awesome. 

As discussed earlier in responses to your initial posting, a lot of the blame lies with Universal.  There was a time when Harry came out and made big announcements about upcoming releases, etc. but those were the days.  I never hear anything about him and it seems as though he has vanished into thin air.  There is quite a legacy behind him and it is a doggone shame in my opinion. 

I am hoping that whenever the new Motown Museum is officially rededicated in its entirety things might take a turn for the better. 

I am guilty as others for not utilizing the MT more than I do.  I will attempt to do better.  But don't drop the forum, it serves a worthwhile purpose.  You are appreciated very much.  Your care and attention to the forum is what makes it great. 
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« Reply #4 on: September 11, 2023, 11:47:03 am »
I am lead to believe in a sorry state which exisits in which it is cheaper for Universal not to release back catalogue. It seems that even licensing out material costs more in the way of salaries and mechanicals than they recoup in fees. The same with releasing product themselves - the actual costs of getting physical CD's to market oustrips any commercial gain they could make in way of sales.
It seems the only real income comes from licensing from the movie or commercial indusrty.
I wondered then why not give the catalogue away but there is always the added advantage of a death of an artist to boost sales or as I say the income from a movie.
I think we have had our day in more ways than one.

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« Reply #5 on: September 11, 2023, 11:52:27 am »
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« Reply #6 on: September 11, 2023, 11:58:31 am »
It is my favourite volume Paul and I think the best seller! I have reached the stage that I would be happy with downloads!

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« Reply #7 on: September 11, 2023, 01:33:53 pm »
Not surprised...where's the interest?

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« Reply #8 on: September 11, 2023, 03:16:14 pm »
I am lead to believe in a sorry state which exisits in which it is cheaper for Universal not to release back catalogue. It seems that even licensing out material costs more in the way of salaries and mechanicals than they recoup in fees. The same with releasing product themselves - the actual costs of getting physical CD's to market oustrips any commercial gain they could make in way of sales.
It seems the only real income comes from licensing from the movie or commercial indusrty.
I wondered then why not give the catalogue away but there is always the added advantage of a death of an artist to boost sales or as I say the income from a movie.
I think we have had our day in more ways than one.

Indeed Paul, it is a very sad state of affairs. I know that the glory days are long over. They were wonderful while they lasted. I'm just so relieved that Blinky got out of the vaults in the nick of time as it wouldn't happen now! I had hoped that when IJH died that he would get a posthumous release as death sells! I did not happen despite the fact that it's just sitting there as I believe that all the hard work has been done!

Ace are supposedly issuing another Motown men collection - sometime! Oh well!

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« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2023, 10:41:26 am »
Whilst it seems that we are destined to be ignored, Motown wise, there does appear to be recent interest in Workshop Jazz CDS.
Is there more of a market for  Dave Hamilton and Paula Greer than Ivy Hunter?
Why are they deemed suitable for release?
Are these CDs genuine and Motown approved?

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« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2023, 11:01:57 am »
Your guess is as good as mine but I think any interest in Workshop Jazz would be minimal compared to IJH, Hattie, Blackberries etc! Motown is dead as far as UMe are concerned! Always jam tomorrow but my tomorrows are running out! Not complaining, just stating the bloody obvious.

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« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2023, 06:26:10 pm »
To my mind the Oldays CDs from Japan are not official Motown product (though I would love to be proved wrong) but nevertheless I welcome their releases of albums otherwise not available on CD until such time as they do get an official release.  Those WJ albums issued on the Spanish Fresh Sound CDs look to be more genuine and are 24 bit remastered. I'd certainly buy more of these. 

I bought all the Motown albums released a few years ago by Hallmark as out of copyright releases - even though some I had already on genuine Motown CD.  Again they also made available albums not previously released on CD and the collector/completist just has to have them since they were cheap as well.  I'd certainly buy an Abbey Tavern Singers "We're Off To Dublin In The Green" CD should one materialise at a reasonable price. 

As someone who came on to the Motown scene in the early 70s, Barbara McNair is just as much a part of Motown history as anyone to me and "You're Gonna Love My Baby" is one of my all time Motown favourites (first heard on Motown Memories Volume 2).  Each to their own taste of course.  We're all pleading for new product including previously unreleased tracks but if I'm reading correctly some fans haven't even bought the Barbara McNair Motown Collection from several years ago now.  If we don't buy these CD releases, no wonder they stop releasing them.  Just my taste again, but I prefer to hear more of Barbara McNair than Blinky - I'm not a huge Blinky fan - but still bought "Heart Full Of Soul" because a) I am a completist b) I like to support all these releases (even Stoney and Meatloaf) c it's a beautiful package and d) there's some new tracks that I've not heard previously.

I don't buy everything released on CD - some are obviously total repeats - but will buy as much of the interesting stuff as funds allow. If I don't, and nobody else does either - can't complain if they stop releasing altogether.




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« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2023, 07:24:49 pm »
MS, not a big Blinky fan! Well go and stand in the naughty corner.  ;D

Blinky was the main reason that I started MT way back in 2005 when the old Motown Bulletin Board was closed down by Harry. I had to keep her name alive along with all the other Motown Wee Folk as MT was once known. It took till 2029 for my dream to come true and with a little help from my friends I got her out of the vaults. I'm proud to say I even got a mention in the sleeve notes so my life has not been a complete waste of time.

I have bought all the great UK collections by all the people that I love and have even bought ones that I don't even like! 95% of all Hip-O/Motown Select releases. All 5 COM's, the late '90's early '00's UK 2-fers. Motown Unreleased downloads, Ace Motown releases etc, etc. So I have done my bit. If there is no more then so be it, just tell me.
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« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2023, 08:07:55 pm »
Years ago I bought The Isley Brothers "Soul On The Rocks" LP - mainly because I knew "Behind A Painted Smile" but also it was the only really interesting album available in the shop at the time.  I soon found out I wasn't a huge fan of it - but over the years I've grown really fond of the album and now love it to bits.  Tastes change.  The last one now may later be first and versa Vicki.  Buy em now and grow into em because they may get to be unaffordable over time.

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« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2023, 08:17:16 pm »
What I don't understand is the large number of mainly US Motown fans are really quite ignorant regarding the UK releases! By the time they discover them it's too late. Same with Hip-O, they hold off buying them because they are too expensive and are hoping for the price to fall, but it doesn't. We have really been very lucky to have had about 20 good years. Yes more would be nice but the suits and the market are not shining on us with a favourable light! C'est la vie eh!